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		<title>By: gwilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonandcatholic.org/mc-question-rosary-gifts/comment-page-1/#comment-4424</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I'm new to the forum and didn't get my blockquote to work the way I intended.  Everything that appeared in the above blockquote was my own words, not IrishCatholic's.  I apologize for any confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m new to the forum and didn&#8217;t get my blockquote to work the way I intended.  Everything that appeared in the above blockquote was my own words, not IrishCatholic&#8217;s.  I apologize for any confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: gwilliams</title>
		<link>http://www.mormonandcatholic.org/mc-question-rosary-gifts/comment-page-1/#comment-4423</link>
		<dc:creator>gwilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 05:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IrishCatholic wrote:
&lt;blockquote cite="The Holy Trinity which consists of God our father, Jesus the son of God and The Holy Spirit are all three part of the Mormon faith, correct?"&gt;

My understanding of the Mormon Godhead and the Catholic Trinity are as follows.  (I apologize for writing &lt;i&gt;God&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Jesus&lt;/i&gt; so many times...I would prefer to use The Father and The Son because these names are sacred, but in this instance it would be somewhat verbose and possibly confusing.)

Latter-Day Saints believe that the the relationship between God and Jesus (in the spirit sense) is similar to the relationship between your father and you (in the flesh sense).  God is also the father of our spirits, and this makes Jesus literally our elder brother in spirit.  God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings with three distinct intelligences and personalities.  God must converse with Jesus (even today) to inform Him of His will.  God and Jesus both have perfect and un-corruptible physical bodies of flesh and bone (but, as exalted beings, their internal organs may differ from ours and serve different purposes; we will eventually obtain similar bodies when we are resurrected).  The Holy Ghost does not have a body, and He exists as a spirit only.  As a spirit, the Holy Ghost can effectively be everywhere simultaneously, and He acts as a sort of messenger to all, but some of us are more receptive to His promptings than others, according to our faithfulness, and also depending on whether we've received the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands (which is usually performed within one week of being baptized by water).  I could expound upon this a little, but would prefer to check the details first.  God and Jesus are one in purpose, but physically and mentally distinct.

(I think) Catholics believe that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are extensions of God, that enable Him to conveniently or efficiently execute His will in different ways.  They share one intelligence and one personality.  God and the Holy Ghost exist as spirits only (although their precise distinction is unclear to me).  Jesus may exist as spirit only (today).

Please correct me if I've misrepresented the Catholic perspective.  I am curious about it and have many questions to ask, but will save them until someone can confirm or correct my statements so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IrishCatholic wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="The Holy Trinity which consists of God our father, Jesus the son of God and The Holy Spirit are all three part of the Mormon faith, correct?">
<p>My understanding of the Mormon Godhead and the Catholic Trinity are as follows.  (I apologize for writing <i>God</i> and <i>Jesus</i> so many times&#8230;I would prefer to use The Father and The Son because these names are sacred, but in this instance it would be somewhat verbose and possibly confusing.)</p>
<p>Latter-Day Saints believe that the the relationship between God and Jesus (in the spirit sense) is similar to the relationship between your father and you (in the flesh sense).  God is also the father of our spirits, and this makes Jesus literally our elder brother in spirit.  God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct beings with three distinct intelligences and personalities.  God must converse with Jesus (even today) to inform Him of His will.  God and Jesus both have perfect and un-corruptible physical bodies of flesh and bone (but, as exalted beings, their internal organs may differ from ours and serve different purposes; we will eventually obtain similar bodies when we are resurrected).  The Holy Ghost does not have a body, and He exists as a spirit only.  As a spirit, the Holy Ghost can effectively be everywhere simultaneously, and He acts as a sort of messenger to all, but some of us are more receptive to His promptings than others, according to our faithfulness, and also depending on whether we&#8217;ve received the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying-on of hands (which is usually performed within one week of being baptized by water).  I could expound upon this a little, but would prefer to check the details first.  God and Jesus are one in purpose, but physically and mentally distinct.</p>
<p>(I think) Catholics believe that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are extensions of God, that enable Him to conveniently or efficiently execute His will in different ways.  They share one intelligence and one personality.  God and the Holy Ghost exist as spirits only (although their precise distinction is unclear to me).  Jesus may exist as spirit only (today).</p>
<p>Please correct me if I&#8217;ve misrepresented the Catholic perspective.  I am curious about it and have many questions to ask, but will save them until someone can confirm or correct my statements so far.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: IrishCatholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>IrishCatholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Holy Trinity which consists of God our father, Jesus the son of God and The Holy Spirit are all three part of the Mormon faith, correct? So please explain to me what you meant by "i didn't explain anything, because i wanted no ill feeling to occur". I am truly interested in the similarities of our religions. I find that the family values of the LDS people that I am proud to call my friends are completly in line with the family teachings  I was brought up to live by. I could discuss this with any one of them, however we do not speak about religion very often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Holy Trinity which consists of God our father, Jesus the son of God and The Holy Spirit are all three part of the Mormon faith, correct? So please explain to me what you meant by &#8220;i didn&#8217;t explain anything, because i wanted no ill feeling to occur&#8221;. I am truly interested in the similarities of our religions. I find that the family values of the LDS people that I am proud to call my friends are completly in line with the family teachings  I was brought up to live by. I could discuss this with any one of them, however we do not speak about religion very often.</p>
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		<title>By: tipseylockett</title>
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		<dc:creator>tipseylockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have many catholics in my family (my husband being one), i am LDS. i truely know that Jesus Christ is my brother, and i am grateful to know i have a Heavenly Father, however, i believe Mary was a very important woman........she gave birth to our Savior.......however, there it ends, i dont think she will pray for us.......see the thing is , it is all about ......Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father.......no one else really.........our individual relationship with them, and we are blessed to have the Holy Ghost who testifys to us of the truth of all things........The God Head..........
i was with a catholic the other day and the "Sacred Heart" was mentioned, i had no idea what it was........well it turns out it is the trinity........i didnt explain anything, because i wanted no ill feeling to occour.......you see the comment had been made to the effect........" not protestant, just not catholics. there is only one religion Catholic".....this is why we have wars....and she is a wonderful elderly lady...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have many catholics in my family (my husband being one), i am LDS. i truely know that Jesus Christ is my brother, and i am grateful to know i have a Heavenly Father, however, i believe Mary was a very important woman&#8230;&#8230;..she gave birth to our Savior&#8230;&#8230;.however, there it ends, i dont think she will pray for us&#8230;&#8230;.see the thing is , it is all about &#8230;&#8230;Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father&#8230;&#8230;.no one else really&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;our individual relationship with them, and we are blessed to have the Holy Ghost who testifys to us of the truth of all things&#8230;&#8230;..The God Head&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
i was with a catholic the other day and the &#8220;Sacred Heart&#8221; was mentioned, i had no idea what it was&#8230;&#8230;..well it turns out it is the trinity&#8230;&#8230;..i didnt explain anything, because i wanted no ill feeling to occour&#8230;&#8230;.you see the comment had been made to the effect&#8230;&#8230;..&#8221; not protestant, just not catholics. there is only one religion Catholic&#8221;&#8230;..this is why we have wars&#8230;.and she is a wonderful elderly lady&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Atticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just omit the parts of the Hail Marys that ask Mary to pray for us because thatâ€™s not what I believe.&lt;/i&gt;

Why wouldn't you want Mary to pray for you?  I take all the prayers I can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just omit the parts of the Hail Marys that ask Mary to pray for us because thatâ€™s not what I believe.</i></p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t you want Mary to pray for you?  I take all the prayers I can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Wacky Hermit</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your response.  I did read it back in October and I gave my grandmother the rosary in time for my grandfather's memorial mass.  My grandmother loved it and was pleased to have such a nice rosary.  My mom actually took the rosary to my grandma, since she was going out to California for the mass.  My mom didn't have a problem with me making rosaries or giving them to relatives who were already Catholic.  We also have Jewish relatives and we've given them Judaica in the past for gifts, and there's never been a single objection.  In fact they've given *us* Judaica (we all have mezuzahs that my LDS mom got from a visit with an Israeli ambassador and gave to all her LDS kids).

For the record, I don't have a problem encouraging Catholic-style prayer in Catholics.  As someone who was brought up surrounded by Catholic traditions and learning about the religion even if I didn't practice it, I know that the rosary isn't solely about "vain repetitions" as some LDS think, but is more like a meditation on divine topics when properly done.  When I attend religious events on the Catholic side, I will pray the rosary, I just omit the parts of the Hail Marys that ask Mary to pray for us because that's not what I believe.  (But I'm not so anal about it that I won't sing or listen to "Ave Maria".)  Now if somebody asked me "How should prayer be done?" I wouldn't say "well you could pray the rosary, or you could do it the LDS way...", but for people who've already made up their minds, I don't think the rosary is a bad thing at all.  The Lord loves us all and listens to all our prayers, whether we do them on our knees, while holding on to beads, write them on prayer flags or stick them between cracks in stones.

My grandparents and ancestors were great and godly people who trusted the Lord.  My mother-in-law is a paragon of faith.  That they are and were Catholic doesn't change that.  My Catholic relatives are people who strive toward the same righteous goals as I do, just in a different way, according to their understanding.  I honor them.

And now I'm off to make a rosary for my mother-in-law... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response.  I did read it back in October and I gave my grandmother the rosary in time for my grandfather&#8217;s memorial mass.  My grandmother loved it and was pleased to have such a nice rosary.  My mom actually took the rosary to my grandma, since she was going out to California for the mass.  My mom didn&#8217;t have a problem with me making rosaries or giving them to relatives who were already Catholic.  We also have Jewish relatives and we&#8217;ve given them Judaica in the past for gifts, and there&#8217;s never been a single objection.  In fact they&#8217;ve given *us* Judaica (we all have mezuzahs that my LDS mom got from a visit with an Israeli ambassador and gave to all her LDS kids).</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t have a problem encouraging Catholic-style prayer in Catholics.  As someone who was brought up surrounded by Catholic traditions and learning about the religion even if I didn&#8217;t practice it, I know that the rosary isn&#8217;t solely about &#8220;vain repetitions&#8221; as some LDS think, but is more like a meditation on divine topics when properly done.  When I attend religious events on the Catholic side, I will pray the rosary, I just omit the parts of the Hail Marys that ask Mary to pray for us because that&#8217;s not what I believe.  (But I&#8217;m not so anal about it that I won&#8217;t sing or listen to &#8220;Ave Maria&#8221;.)  Now if somebody asked me &#8220;How should prayer be done?&#8221; I wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;well you could pray the rosary, or you could do it the LDS way&#8230;&#8221;, but for people who&#8217;ve already made up their minds, I don&#8217;t think the rosary is a bad thing at all.  The Lord loves us all and listens to all our prayers, whether we do them on our knees, while holding on to beads, write them on prayer flags or stick them between cracks in stones.</p>
<p>My grandparents and ancestors were great and godly people who trusted the Lord.  My mother-in-law is a paragon of faith.  That they are and were Catholic doesn&#8217;t change that.  My Catholic relatives are people who strive toward the same righteous goals as I do, just in a different way, according to their understanding.  I honor them.</p>
<p>And now I&#8217;m off to make a rosary for my mother-in-law&#8230; <img src='http://www.mormonandcatholic.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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